Thunder God Vine & Autoimmunity
Hi, My name is Nathalie, I am a 52 years old Rheumatoid Arthritis patient in a remission since April 2016 with medicinal Thunder God Vine (mTGV) until today (July 2020). I dedicate this website to all persons enduring the consequences of living with an autoimmune condition that may benefit and get better, with a special mention for RA suffers.
I’m not a scam. I am a real person, more adventurous than average, with a passion for getting to the bottom of things. I describe myself as agnostic and free spirited. I’m not into holistic treatments or on any kind of diet. I don’t take supplements. Throughout my life, I have relied on allopathic medicine (Western style medication).
Medicinal Thunder God Vine (mTGV) is a natural treatment that has a successful history of 30 years of prescription as a first choice to relieve the symptoms of a number of autoimmune conditions and inflammatory disorders. It’s a herb medicinal extract. It is both cheap, safe and usually more effective than conventional DMARDs. The modern safe extracts of the herb are prescribed by western style physicians in western style hospitals in China. mTGV is not known or used outside of China and not well known from Chinese traditional medicine practitioners.
Don’t take my word for granted, do your own research. Bear in mind that I am not a doctor but a patient. I am not promoting a specific brand or giving medical advice.
Medicinal Thunder God Vine (mTGV) benefits
Thunder God Vine benefits a number of autoimmune conditions and inflammatory disorders. Main indications in autoimmunity include :
- rheumatoid arthritis,
- systemic lupus erythematosus,
- Crohn’s disease,
- ankylosing spondylitis…
Because my condition is actually Rheumatoid Arthritis, it’s the main condition that I am referring to in this website. Obviously, it will take more time to gather information for the other indications. You can find most existing indications on this page: Thunder God Vine Indications
20 000 Rheumatoid Arthritis cases every year with mTGV in this only hospital.
As an example, this hospital is the PUMCH, the Peking Union Medical College Hospital. This hospital can be described as having a high repution in the country and one of the most advanced in the world. It’s also the 3rd referral hospital in China. It addresses a total of 30 000 cases of Rheumatoid Arthritis every year. 2/3 of the patients (20 000) are prescribed medicinal Thunder God Vine.
Physicians prescribe it as a monotherapy or associate it with Methotrexate in low dose. Additional medication can include other DMARDs, Prednisone in low dose, NSAIDs…
Ref : https://arthritis-research.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13075-018-1563-6
“TwHF has been approved to treat RA in China. Our clinical experiences from treating more than 30,000 patients with RA each year in Peking Union Medical College Hospital (PUMCH) also support the high cost effectiveness of TwHF or a combination of MTX + TwHF, with increases in daily therapeutic expense less than 1 US dollar . “
What medicinal Thunder God Vine looks like
Still today, after 4 years, I don’t understand that there is almost zero acknowledgement of the Chinese long time successful and widespread usage of medicinal Thunder God Vine. It can’t be found outside of China. The only documents that are mentioning it in English are scientific releases of clinical studies. All the websites I have read in English and French, even the more trustworthy are apparently not aware of this fact. I know that China is far away, with a language and writing that is not easily accessible and with a political model widely seen as controversial and brutal. But how to explain the absence of knowledge, research and availability of this natural and safe DMARD elsewhere. So many people could benefit in the world !
These are commercial presentations of mTGV. They are available from drugstores and hospitals with a prescription.
Medicinal Thunder God Vine extracts are natural but they are complex to produce. They are all normalized tablets of 10 mg, sold in bottles of 50 or 100 tablets. The dosage is always the same at 1 to 1,5mg/kg/day, with a maximum it seems of 90mg/day. While it’s a natural product, in China it is not considered as a supplement. It is recommended to take under guidance of a physician. Also likely because autoimmune conditions (if you have one you will understand my words) are serious conditions that require serious medical follow up.
Warnings regarding the botanical (herb)
Beware as natural is not a synonym for safe in the case of Thunder God Vine: the plant is dangerous. The natural botanical (herb) and the simple extracts of it (water and ethanol extracts from the root) were never used in medicine in China other than externally (poultices…) because they have a high toxicity.
The powder extracts that you will find on internet in pouches or in capsules are not medicinal extract. They are water and ethanol extracts bought from Chinese whole seller website Alibaba 10 to 50 USD a Kg. These extracts have a known toxicity on the liver and kidney. Moreover they are not normalized and there is no way to know the dosage as it was never medicine in the first place. So this also means that beyond toxicity there is an overdosing risk.
This is possibly the reason why Thunder God Vine has not a good reputation in the Western world. All that is possible to read about it is always referring to the natural herb and the simple extracts of it.
Learn more about the different types of existing extracts here The different types of Thunder God Vine extracts.
Information on Thunder God Vine
The Documentation > Clinical Trials and Studies section contains existing documentation, clinical studies and scientific article about Thunder God Vine. This is a work in progress, I have a lot to add and it will take time. Unfortunately, many interesting documents and large scale studies are available only in Chinese at this time.
In the My Story section you can find My Journey with Rheumatoid Arthritis since I declared the disease. My Personal Experience with Thunder God Vine page is my personal experience with the medicinal extract. And Three Years Taking Thunder God Vine is the account of my personal follow-up, although it should read 4 years not 3.
What you will not find here is information on other indications such as cancer and weight loss. Some studies are promising and there may be an outbreak at some point on these indications. But I will never go there because it’s ongoing research. It’s not established extensive controlled usage with a 30 years long history as it is the case for autoimmune conditions.
Getting to the bottom of it
To look for serious information on the subject by yourself, Pubmed is a good place to start. Pubmed is the popular US National Library of Medicine search engine for medical publications. Type in the Pubmed search bar (link below) : “Tripterygium wilfordii”, the scientific name for Thunder God Vine. The search returns 1243 results, some of them are clinical studies. I use this source to create simplified posts in the form of a summary of studies in the Clinical Trials and Studies section. Here is the link that gives direct access to this search :
Finding reliable information about mTGV is not an easy task. There are in fact a lot of articles on internet referring to the toxic simple extracts of the herb (water and ethanol extracts). But I never found any article referring to the successful and extensive use in China of the above described medicinal material. My guess is there are big interests at stake. Because this treatment is so effective and cheap, spreading biased information and mixing up things is quite effective to destroy precious information and facts.
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