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Thunder God Vine in autoimmune conditions

Raising awareness

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Hi, My name is Nathalie, I am a 50 years old Rheumatoid Arthritis patient in a remission since April 2016 with medicinal Thunder God Vine.

Medicinal Thunder God Vine is a natural DMARD. It has a successful history of 40 years of prescription as a first intention to relieve the symptoms of a number of autoimmune conditions but is not known outside of China.

My goal is to raise awareness of this existing natural alternative that is both cheap, safe and usually as, and often more effective than the 5 conventional DMARDs.

Bear in mind that I am not a doctor but a patient. I am not promoting a medication and not giving medical advice. Specialists in China are qualified to prescribe it to you if your condition requires it and many commercial brands of medicinal Thunder God Vine exist (see lower). 

Warnings regarding the Thunder God Vine botanical (herb)

Beware as natural is not a synonym for safe in the case of Thunder God Vine: the plant is very dangerous. The natural botanical (herb) and the simple extracts of it (water and ethanol extracts from the root) were never used in medicine in China other than externally (poultices…) because they have a high toxicity.

The powder extracts that you will find on internet in pouches or in capsules are not medicinal extract. They are water and ethanol extracts bought from whole seller Chinese Alibaba website 10 to 50 USD a Kg. These extracts are potentially dangerous. Moreover they are not normalized and there is no way to know the dosage as it was never medicine in the first place.

This is the main reason why Thunder God Vine has such a bad reputation in the Western world. All that is given to read about it is always referring to the natural herb and the simple extracts of it.

Learn about the different types of extracts here Learn > The extracts.

The real face of medicinal Thunder God Vine in China

How odd that there is about zero documentation referring to the Chinese long time successful and widespread usage of medicinal Thunder God Vine. The only documents that are mentioning it in English are scientific releases of clinical studies. I know that China is far, with a language and writing that is not easily accessible. But how to explain the absence of knowledge, research and availability of this natural and safe DMARD elsewhere that is also cheap. So many people could benefit in the world !

Check out this page for information on buying medicinal Thunder God Vine: Buy Thunder God Vine.

8 commercial presentations of Thunder God Vine medicinal extract
These are commercial presentations of medicinal Thunder God Vine. They are available from drugstores and hospitals with a prescription.

Medicinal Thunder God Vine extracts are natural but they are complex to produce. They are all normalized tablets of 10 mg, sold in bottles of 50 or 100 tablets. The dosage is always the same at 1 to 1,5mg/kg/day, with a maximum it seems of 90mg/day. While it’s a natural product, in China medicinal Thunder God Vine is not considered as a supplement and should be taken under guidance of a physician.

Thunder God Vine benefits

Thunder God Vine benefits a number of autoimmune conditions: Use > Indications and safety notice

Because my condition is actually Rheumatoid Arthritis, it’s the main condition that I am referring to in this website. Obviously, it will take more time to gather information for the other indications.

Information on Thunder God Vine

The Blog section contains existing documentation, clinical studies and scholarly article about Thunder God Vine. This is a work in progress, I have a lot to add and it will take time. Unfortunately, many interesting documents and large scale studies are available only in Chinese at this time.

The About Me section is my Rheumatoid Journey since I declared the disease. Use > My Personal Experience page is my personal experience with the medicinal extract.

You will also find recommendations to use here: Use > Recommendations to use if this is your intention, and to buy: Buy Thunder God Vine.

What you will not find here is information on other indications such as cancer and weight loss. Some studies are promising and there may be an outbreak at some point on new indications. But I will never go there because it’s ongoing research. It’s not established extensive controlled usage with a long history as it is the case for autoimmune conditions.

Digging it out

Finding reliable information about Thunder God Vine is not an easy task. There are a lot of articles on internet referring to the rather toxic water and ethanol extracts. These articles say it’s dangerous, and it certainly is unsafe. But these articles never refer to the successful and extensive use in China of the above cited medicinal material. My best guess is there are big interests at stake. As a fact, spreading biased information is common practice in that case.


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